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even if we very much disapprove of what they're doing in their own backyard and so that's very -- very complicated situation. i think we are gonna have to wait and see what president obama says right now. >> we are awaiting his word. politico magazine's susan glasser, thanks for coming in, pinch hitting. that is all for now. the ed show will pick up our coverage coming right up. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" live from new york tonight. we are awaiting the president of the united states, his statement about the political unrest in the country of ukraine. now, the latest weres from the region say armed militants have occupied two airports in the area. members of the ukraine's government say the men were troops deployed from russia. the kremlin is denying these claims. earlier today, ukraine's ousted president,y. , speaking from inside russia in
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russia insists he remains the leader from ukraine. jankovic is wanted for murders of hundreds of protesters in the country. the ukraine says -- the kremlin says it will continue to respect the sovereignty of its neighbors, secretary of state john kerry made a call for peace on all sides and of course, on wednesday, russian president, vladimir putin, ordered a surprise military exercise on the border of the ukraine with 150,000 russian troops. the russian flag was planted on top of crimea's parliament building. militants took control of the government's building there and pro-russian demonstrators filled the streets. joining me now kristen welker of nbc news. great to have you with us tonight. what can we expect the president to talk about, kristen? >> ed, i think you're going to hear stern words from president obama to give you a sense of what we have been hearing from this administration all week.
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white house press secretary jay carney, national security adviser susan rice have all said it would be a grave mistake for russia to intervene in ukraine. u.s. official at this hour essentially confirming that is what happened, uniformed russian officers, a hybrid of military and paramilitary are still flying into a region in crimea. the ukraine's u.n. ambassador telling the u.n. security council that russian military forces have taken over their main airport there. so, if this is in fact a case, if russia has in fact raided, entered ukraine, this will not only increase tensions in that region between the east and the west certainly, but continue to freeze the relationship between the united states and russia. you know, ed, one of the things that have been discussed throughout this entire incident and issue in ukraine is what is the state of the relationship
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between the united states and russia? u.s. officials have been very adamant that this is not a return to the cold war. and yet, when you see something like this happening, if russia has, in fact, invaded ukraine at this point it will undoubtedly just continue to create a larger gulf between the two nations. so, that is the backdrop to the president coming out to the brady press briefing room momentarily. we expect him to come out at any minute now and again, i anticipate that he will have very stern words for russia. the question is will he draw a red line? if so, what will the consequences be? those are some of the things that i will be listening quite closely for and it's also worth noting, ed, that the former president of ukraine, as you pointed out, viktor yanukovych, he has not been deposed, still the leader of that country. many within ukraine don't see it
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that way. so the situation continues to be volatile there and quite unpredictable and president obama will come out momentarily and address it all. >> and we have -- we are inside the two-minute warning on that. kristen welker at the white house. stay with us, obviously. we want to go to jim maceda on the line with us, on the phone from moscow. jim, we are told that the 3red plead and also vladimir putin have had words and spoken to one another on the phone. what can you tell us about that? >> i don't have insight into that phone call but from my perch in moscow, we cannot underestimate the deep sense of rebee trail that president putin feels at this point, given the
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way the events eventually unfolded. they thought the february 21st agreement would lead to a series of benchmark, a timeline that would have taken yanukovych, kept him in power until the end of the year and then suddenly, everything was flipped on its ear. putin found himself outside of the loop as all of these forces, a whole new group of people that putin mistrusts profoundly were suddenly calling the shots, not from inside kiev's parliament, but from the streets of kiev. -- >> let's go now to president obama at the white house. thank you, jim. >> the united states has been responding to events as they unfold in ukraine. now, throughout this crisis, we
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have been very clear about one fundamental principle, the ukrainian people deserve the opportunity to determine their own future. together with our european allies, we have urged an end to the violence and encouraged ukrainians to pursue a course in which they stabilize their country, form a broad-based government and move to elections this spring. i also spoke several days ago with president putin and my administration has been in daily communication with russian officials. and we have made clear that they can be part of an international community's effort to support the stability and success of a united ukraine going forward, which is not only in the interests of the people of the ukraine and the international community but also in russia's interests. however, we are now deeply concerned by reports of military movements taken by the russian federation inside of the ukraine. russia has historic relationship with ukraine, including cultural and economic ties, and a
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military facility in crimea. but any violation of ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity would be deeply destabilizing, which is not in the interests of ukraine, russia or europe. it would represent a profound interference in matters that must be determined by the ukrainian people it would be a clear violation of russia's commitment to respect the independence and sovereignty and borders of ukraine. and of international laws. and just days after the world came to russia for the olympic games, it would invite the condemnation of nations around the world. and indeed, the united states will stand with the international community in affirming that there willen costs for any military intervention in ukraine. the events of the past several months remind us of how difficult democracy can be in a country with deep divisions. but the ukrainian people have also reminded us that human beings have a universal right to
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determine their own future. right now the situation remains very fluid. vice president biden just spoke with prime minister -- the prime minister of ukraine to assure him that in this difficult moment, the united states supports his government's efforts and stands for the sovereignty, territorial integrity and democratic future of ukraine. i also commend the ukrainian government's restraint and its commitment to the uphold its international obligations. we will continue to coordinate closely our european allies. we will continue to communicate directly with the russian government and we will continue to keep all of you in the press corps and the american people informed as events develop. thanks very much. >> president obama with a brief statement at the white house about the -- what he calls crisis in ukraine. let's go back to kristen welker
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at the white house. very clear, deeply concerned and deeply destabilizing, strong words for the russian president, i think. >> i think that's the headline. yeah i think that's absolutely the headline, that is sort of the one phrase that was different that we heard from the president. you heard him say that the u.s. is deeply concerned about this situation now, warning russia again not to basically raise the specter of military intervention in ukraine. what he didn't do is threaten any action on the part of the united states. he made it very clear that vice president biden has been in contact with the prime minister of ukraine, commended the new government there on the restraint that it has shown. again, this was a stern warping to russia. it is what we expected president obama to say. it was a brief statement. it was, to some extent, a
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reiteration of what we have heard, but again that phrase there, ed that you point out, deeply concerned is the headline. it is this white house essentially upping the ante and saying we are watching what you're doing and we are not going to just stand by. >> only speculate if the president is concerned about sovereignty and there are military actions by the russian federation inside the ukraine, we can only speculate what kind of conversation the president and mr. putin had about that. and you profoundly point out, kristen, that there were -- were no words of any kind of military action whatsoever but the question begs, what will it take for the united states to possibly get involved and does the russian federation and these troops have to back off? i mean, it's very interesting the president didn't take any questions because certainly, he didn't want to inflame the situation. this is a very, very tense diplomatic situation at this point. that's in deeply destabilizing,
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i think, is really code that mr. putin, you better back off here. how else could we take that? kristen, your thoughts on that. >> i think that's absolutely right. and what you're going to see over the next 24 hours, ed, flurry of conversations, certainly between the white house, this administration and russian officials. and it is such a fragile situation because if this does escalate into some type of actual violence, that is certainly going to change the equation. it's gonna change the equation for the administration, for the folks on the ground in ukraine and obviously for russia. so it is going to be a tense weekend here at the white house, undoubtedly, as they continue to monitor this situation and those phone calls that they will have, they are going to reiterate what you heard the president say and to your point, ed, probably make the point that the united states will take some type of action.
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i don't know that it would be military action, but some type of action if this situation in ukraine currently turns violent. ed? >> of course, we will get reaction some time this evening from capitol hill, i'm sure. kristen welker at the white house. thank you for joining us on "the ed show" tonight. and that coverage. you're watching "the ed show." we will be right back here on msnbc. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why, at liberty mutual insurance,
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thursday. >> my knowledge of the uaw came into play, and let me say this i think my involvement from their officer perspective, getting took your base question, i probably am public enemy number one to the uaw. >> oh, no, the keyword's not enemy, the keyword is involvement. your involvement, senator. make no mistake, corker should be public enemy number one for the unions because he's writing the back on how to defeat them. guy intimidated workers at the chattanooga vehicles wagon plant, made threats about production not being in chattanooga if the vote didn't go the right way and they voted in the union. in the end, corker's misinformation campaign, i guess you could say it paid off. workers voted against unionization and their own self-interests. now, here are just a few examples so we don't have history revisionism going on here. here's a few examples of corkers a intimidation tactics leading up to the vote. >> the officers a month ago talking about fighting and
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combat and all of those kind of things f these the environment you want, uaw certain slit people for you to -- are the people to choose. they can't help with the wages. you have got a facility that's the most advanced, environmentally sound facility in the world right here in chattanooga, tennessee. so, what's this about? it's about one thing. it's about money and it's about power. >> now, in the arena of public opinion, do you think most common sense folks would say, that's involvement? that's real involvement in an election? overall, corker flat-out lied about the united auto workers union. >> we support the works council notion that they are trying to implement. we just had concerns about the uaw. we know of their track record. we know what's happened in communities were they've been located. we know they have been a job-destroying entity through the years. >> no, no, no, no. corker is lying when he makes
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comments like that about the uaw. uaw has saved thousands of johns all over the country and they have the numbers to back it up. let me be clear, folks. corker's intimidation of plant workers was absolutely unprecedented. never in american history has a sitting united states senator inject himself and launched into an intimidation campaign against unionization. i mean, it's so bad, uaw hasn't done this before in recent history. they have filed a complaint with the national labor relations board, the nlrb will review the mat and review the matter again and again and likely hold hearings in a few months. really? a few months? i'll get back to that in just a moment. the hearing could spark a revote at the chattanooga plant. now, senator corker isn't happy about all this. he thinks the nlrb is stepping on his first amendment rights. here's what he had to say on thursday. >> i hope that the national labor relations board will understand and realize the
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magnitude of what they are gonna be deciding, and in no way will try to muzzle public officials who are community leaders from expressing their point of view. >> oh, senator, give me a break. a point of viewers have suss threats and init imdays? come,er wasn't expressing his point of view. corker was misleading workers and making threats. this guy, he ought to be ashamed of himself, but i don't think he is capable of that two weeks ago this is what the accept is tore from tennessee said. "i've had conversations today," he said, "based on those am assured that should the workers vote against the uaw, volkswagen will announce," key phrase there, "will announce in the coming weeks that it will manufacture its new midsized suv here in chattanooga." direct quote. the senator was very clear. corker said he was assured if workers voted against the uaw, volkswagen would announce new production. on thursday, corker changed his
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tune. here is what he had to say. >> the uaw have been spreading rumors that the only way a newsome uv line was going to come to the plant and double its size, the only way that was going to happen was if the plant was organized by the uaw. obviously, that was having an effect on people who worked there. so on wednesday night, during the course of a three-day election, after 1,000 votes, 1300 had been cast, i made the statement that i was assured even if the uaw did not whip that chattanooga was still its first choice. let me say this, i talk all up and down the chain, i talked to site selectors often. i believe and i know that chattanooga is the first choice. >> seems to me like the senator's trying to lessen the impact he had on the vote. corker's original statement implied volkswagen would announce new production if the union was voted down.
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now corker is saying volkswagen would have brought new production, no matter what the outcome. look, he is wordsmithing, playing word game right now with the media. notes a honest broker and that's what i've said all along. let's keep it focused here. this senator has injected himself into a vote and now the national labor relations board has got a decision to make. and now for them, why months? this is a pending issue. i think the nlrb gives government a bad name by not moving quickly on this it's easy to research. let's knock off the lunches and get to work, boys. the bottom here is this ought to be able to be done in 30 days. this is affecting workers. this is hurting families by not allowing them to better themselves in the workplace. so, what's the holdup? i certainly hope the nlrb isn't going to be intimidated by the senator from tennessee who now
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seems to be pretty foggy about the facts when it comes to what he said when he said it and what kind of impact he had. get your cell phones out, i want to know what you think, tonight's question. should a united states senator brag about hurting his own constituents? text a for yes, text b for no to 676322, always go to our blog at we will bring you the results later in the show. for more, i want to bring in the mayor of lansing michigan, verge man narrow and with us tonight, professor harley shaken, a professor at uc berkeley specializing in labor issues. professor, you first. have you ever seep an elected official inject himself into a process the way senator corker did and the governor and some legislators? >> you know, i've never seen this, certainly at this scale. it's truly unprecedented. it's almost as if senator corker were channeling 19th century robber barrens who had a
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tendency to say vote my way on tuesday or don't come to work on wednesday. what he said in the guise of an anonymous conversation was absolutely an economic threat. that is, if you vote against the union, you will get within weeks a new model that's vital for the plant. he has claimed at the time that this was his free speech, but chief justice of the supreme court, oliver wendell holmes, and the unanimous court decided this in 1919. justice holmes said falsely shouting fire is not protected by free speech. and this was a statement that was at variance with what everything that volkswagen had said publicly and privately, which is the vote would have no bearing on where their product went. and he put it in the guise of an anonymous comment. was it a night shift security guard or the ceo of volkswagen who said this? it was inappropriate and
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irresponsible. >> he never identified who told him, who gave him the assurance that if the vote went a certain way, that there would be extended manufacturing at that plant. verge man nair row, seems line the senator from tennessee is foggy on how this unfolded. how do you see it? >> look, it was underhappened. it was despicable. goal so far, ed, as to say it was un-american. because it is a basic tenant in american law now and american principle that you -- the worker gets to choose. it wasn't always that wake as the professor said. hard-fought rights. statements we forget our history at the our own peril but people fought and suffered toil, sweat and tears to win the rights that we have as americans to decide if we want a union. and of course, especially in this economy today, with the growth of the multinationals and the growth of the separation between the rich and the poor,
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the unions helped create the middle class in thisre opportune american dream and that's why i can say it's un-american, it violates the spirit and the letter of labor law, but also, it goes against the american dream. >> i mean, it's very clear that corker is still working the story. corker is working the story. he is trying to shake document nlrb this is another form of intimidation, trying to reverse the facts around about how this all unfolded. this is -- this is an attack. this is an assault and it's really a war on labor. and they will stop at nothing. guys like corker will stop at nothing, he says he is public enemy number one of the uaw? he is public enemy number one of working people. he is public enemy number one of the middle class. the middle class is under a attack it is shrinking. the outfit that can stop that is unions, unions created the middle class and what is going to bring the middle class back. he niece and airport on the side of right, he ain't on the side of justice that's for sure. >> professor is it the culture
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of the nlrb to move at the speed of molasses? >> up fortunately, at times this is the case, but i think you're making an excellent point. this needs a very prompt resolution. the evidence is overwhelming and clear. and i would also like to say i think the may her an excellent point. this is not solely a labor story. certainly not a uaw story. it's a story about fundamental democratic rights in any democratic society. the right to have a union or not should be left to the workers without interference. >> i can only believe the senator might be a little concerned about the nlrb, but i find the discovery in this should be a lot easier than in other situations because there's been so many media comments about it done by the senator himself. seems the nlrb would be able to move at a much speedier pace than molasses in minnesota. good to have you with us tonight, gentlemen. thank you so much.
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coming up, the next big progressive political star, sandra foot, in studio with me tonight. and later, our exclusive interview with canada's ambassador to the united states, carrie duer, joins us live to talk about the keystone xl pipeline and the canadian interests. stay with us.
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time now for the trend, social media this is where you can find us, at show, show and and of course, you can find us on the radio, monday through friday, sirius charge. m 127, get my podcast off the website, now, two years ago, there was no bigger trender than this comment from rush limbaugh. >> what does it say about the college coed, susan fluke, who
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goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex? what does that make her? it makes her a slut, right? makes her a prostitute. >> the comment targeted then-george town university student fluke, an ongoing moment changed the landscape in talk radio as advertisers ran from limbaugh's hate speech and the whole genre itself. are it put sandra on the map as an activist across america, now two years after republicans tried to silence her from speaking out on women's issues, health issues, sandra fluke wants her voice to be heard in the california state house and she joins us tonight here on "the ed show." sandra, thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> you have been cast on the scene politically in this country, done a lot of activist work, where do you go from here, running for this position?
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>> i'm running for the state senate, i want to give a cities to my constituents, stand up for their concerns around the environment. it's a very important issue in our coastal district and we have fracing concerns happening there make sure that we are fighting for the guide kind of good jobs that you're always talking about that you and i are both working on, to ensure that especially my millennial generation has a future in the middle class and is not strapped down by student loan debt and the unaffordability of higher education. and of course, we are working on implementing the affordable care act and making sure that we do that in a way that makes health care affordable for everyone. >> did limbaugh change your life with that comment? >> well, he certainly changed some aspects of it and, you know, the way i look at it is it's a microphone to talk bish news have always been important to me and that's what i continue to do, continue to talk about how we stand to fight human traffic and the special issue in california that we need to prevent domestic violence that
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it's important that we stand up for living wage ordinances. >> you were not allowed to testify in front of darrell issa's committee. have we made any progress in this country on women's issues since then? that's been a long two years and of course the republicans deny that there's any kind of agenda against women. >> well, i think that everyone needs to be very clear that the 2013 elections did not end the attacks on women's reproductive rights and other aspects of gender equality and, in fact, many of those takes are happen income state legislatures across the country there are clearly problematic bills being introduced. we need to be lacking to our state legislatures, where there's terrible damage being done to women's right, to gay rights to a whole host of social justice issues. but on the other hand, possibilities in legislatures like california to rance vance these fights to move the country forward and that's what i'm committed to doing in the state senate. >> when you look at pay in the
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workplace, okay, equal pay, what's gonna turn that around? what has to happen? can it be done on a state level? >> i believe some there's a lot that we could do legislatively on that issue. on the federal level, we haven't seen progress. >> no movement at all? >> it's been decades since we updated legislation there you can tell that there are differences because different states have different levels but even in california, we have a long way to go on fair pay. something else i'd like to work on. >> can you win? >> absolutely. we have gotten an incredible reaction since launching the campaign. we, of course, need everyone's support because this is a race in which i'm not the favorite insider political candidate who's endorsed by big business and special interests, so i hope that everyone who stood with me in 2012 will go to stand with and stand with me now. >> well, do you think you're somewhat of a political target now? because you've been on the national platform, the country knows who you are, you're not your average candidate in a state representative position.
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and it would seem to me that there are people working against, you know, what you advocate for and might want to silence your voice again. >> you know, i'm -- i'm comfortable, i'm fine if folks want to take me on personally. what's important to me is that i'm accomplishing what my constituents need if smib super bowl knob is pushing back on that, then you're not really fighting for anything. so i'm pretty comfortable with the idea that i'm getting resistance. it means i'm creating change. >> you are in number one issue? >> my number one issue is always going tonight equality and prosperity that my constituents need. >> well that would be a lot of things. >> that's why it's the number one issue. >> sandra, good luck to you. >> thank you so much. >> i appreciate your time. thanks stopping in tonight. a lot more coming up on "the ed show." stay tuned. i'm courtney reagan with your cnbc market wrap. the dow jumped 49 points, the s & p 500 added 5, the nasdaq down 10. bad weather is blamed in part for the u.s. economy's slow
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both the united states and canadian economy. last week, canadian prime minister steven harper made this very clear. >> president obama and i had an exchange on this, my views in favor of the project are very well known. his views on the process are also equally well known and we had that discussion on the issue of climate change, which is a shared concern, account united states have similar targets at the international level? we already cooperate on several -- in several sectors in terms of the emissions reduction bus in terms of climate change, i think the state department word already was pretty definitive on that issue. >> joining me tonight is the ambassador to the united states, gary doer. >> thanks for having me on. >> you bet. i have heard a lot, a both sides on this issue. let's talk about the can need dap perspective. does canada want this pipeline to come through the united states to go down to be retyped in the enough? >> yes, we do we think it makes
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a lot of sense for both countries, as you say. it was proposed about five years ago to displace venezuelan oil. we have a great trading relationship with the united states, including in energy. and we think it makes a lot of sense to have this pipeline proceed, but not only proceed with can needian oil but balkan oil from canada. the oil is coming down to the united states now, as the state department has properly documented, it's coming down on rail and you and i both know highway 2 in north dakota, 500 tanker trucks a day with oil and we think it makes more sense to be an to pipeline. >> so, tar sands oil, to be very clear is already being refined in the gulf? >> yes, it is. >> okay. and this would just bring more of it to market? >> well, not -- well, yes it would bring more, but it would bring it with a pipeline and the state department, you have people, as you say, on either
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side of this issue. >> sure h. >> but if we look at the independent dent meritorious review of the state department and the 2,000 pages, they say it's safer, it's less cost and it has less greenhouse gases to have it on a pipeline rather than rail and trucks. and as i say, you and i both know highway 2 in north dakota. >> sure. >> 7500 -- 500 trucks a day you have a democratic senator and republican senator saying put it on a mainline. >> rail is obviously being loaded one oil right now and the safety issue is what the proponents are really saying about this pipeline. but the quality of the oil, we keep hearing that this is the worst oil to ever come out of the ground th, that it's far mo toxic than any other oil is that true? >> the state department again says the oil is comparable to the oil it's displacing in
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venezuela. secondly, if you look at the department of energy report, ironically, the highest greenhouse gas emission oil in north america is actually thermal oil from california. of course, we don't mean to say that we can and must continue improve the stewardship of that oil. we used to use ten barrels of water for one bar.of oil. now we are 1:1. continue to have land reclamation, it ton reduce greenhouse gases through innovation and we will do that and we are doing that. >> okay. why not refine it in canada? >> some of the oil is retyped in canada, but it's displacing the purpose of this pipeline is to displace venezuelan oil to make the united states less reliable or less reliant, rather, on middle eastern oil. so, that was the purpose of the pipeline to begin with and when you look at those goal posts,
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they've been -- the ball's gop through those goal posts, then the issue of the sand hill portion in nebraska. that pipeline has now been rerouted to deal with that concern that has been raised in the state of nebraska and now, the president's saying it has to be -- it can't increase greenhouse gases in any significant way while the state department also anticipates that question, it says that it would be higher green house gas it is you were to say no to the pipeline. >> mm-hmm. now, there's been some questions by environmentalists about the integrity of the state department. >> yeah,thy thank you's really unfair. i'm not the secretary of state. >> yeah. >> but this is the second time they questioned the integrity of the scientists and the experts in the state department that are not political appointments and i respect their integrity. we may not have liked the state department report, but we would never -- we do think it's a good
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report, by the way, we think it's very accurate, but never attack the integrity of those scientists. >> they say -- the environmentalists are saying there's been a conflict of interest. the inspector general says. no >> it fell like a house of cards by an end pep dent review by the inspector general. i think at soil point, you make these al gailses, when are you accountable for when you're wrong? >> you really want this pipeline? >> no. but i also think it's been very unfair to people that can't speak up. >> okay. >> again, i'm not the secretary of state. >> sure. sure. okay. now, secretary kerry gave a speech that was very poignant about climate change and global warm willing, called it the weapon of mass destruction. is he, your sense, not going to recommend that this pipen built? >> well, why would you say no to a pipeline and have higher green house gases with rail? i agree that i don't agree with some of -- everything necessarily the flair in which
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he said it i think the prime minister and president both talked about it last week, we have the ability to have energy security in our neighborhood, of canada, united states and mexico. look at all the -- you heard brian switzer talk about before, governor switzer talked about how many went from his national guard to the middle east, we have the chance to have that. but realso are -- have the chance to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in north america and we are going to continue to do that. we don't -- we don't see and i didn't see when i was premier of manitoba a pipeline of climate change. i saw closing a coal plant potentially helpful or light vehicle emission standards, which the president and the prime minister have agreed to. we both have the same energy efficiency for cars. that is climate change. >> tell us what happens if the pipeline is not built. what happens to that oil? i keep -- i'm always hearing that this oil's coming out of the ground. the canadians are getting this
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out of the ground, already coming out but come out at a faster pace. why not put it to the west coast? there is a pipeline to the west coast, proposal for two more. so yes, it can -- >> with this pipeline, the keystone? >> no, no, not with this. there are two proposed pipe lanes to the united states. there's two to the west coast proposed and the two east coast. and -- >> are the canadian people fighting the with unto the west coast? >> there is always -- if you have a transmission line -- >> yeah. >> if you have a pipeline, if off pipeline with carbon dioxide from north dakota to be sequestered in saskatchewan, i guarantee you will have people that disagree. we can't sometimes get clean energy on a transmission line. >> will it be refined better in the gulf than it would be in china? >> well, there's higher standards in the united states than china. >> if the president says no, what does that do to diplomatic relations? >> if the president says no, he is saying yes to higher
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greenhouse gases because the oil is coming down, whether anybody likes it not, on rail, does not require his presidential permit. so the choice for john kerry and the president is do you want the oil coming through the united states and through canada on rail or do you want it on pipe lines? >> i have to ask you -- >> lower cost, lower risk, and lower ghgs on pipelines. other than that, it's not that complicated. all right, mr. baerkd i got to ask you about the situation in ukraine. your thoughts on that and the, aggressive move bay the russians, the russian federation holding military operations inside ukraine. >> well, our minister of foreign affairs is there, as you're asking me the question. we feel that we have to demonstrate solidarity with the democratic aspirations of the ukrainian people, its disappointments that they have had over the last number of weeks and months and that's why
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our foreign minister has been deployed and is there as we speak. >> the president says he is deeply concerned. >> we are, too. yes, we share his concern. >> are you concerned about possible military action by the russians? >> the president didn't use that term and we are trying to work very carefully with the united states. all weekend long, we were working in concert with the united states. we -- we are working together with the administration in washington. >> all right. gary doer, great to have you with us tonight, canadian ambassador to the united states. we will have more coming up here on "the ed show." stay with us. for hold because my dentures fit well. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super poligrip is zinc free. with just a few dabs, it's clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. so it's not about keeping my dentures in, it's about keeping the food particles out. [ charlie ] try zinc free super poligrip.
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thanks for staying with us tonight. the keystone xl pipeline debate crosses all party lines and cuts to the core of american values. the fight is forever changing politics in a deep red state in the middle of the country. >> it's -- it's time to step up and say no. >> this fight for land and rights has forged new alliances on the political horizon in nebraska. >> i used to think whoever you elected into office, you know, they were working for you. for the guy that got him in there. >> that's not the way it's happening?
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[ laughter ] >> that's why it's been so successful. we really have been kind of teaching each other along the way. >> we're very thankful and appreciative of the support and the efforts that our friends, you know, indian and non-indian throughout the country are showing. >> from ranchers to farmers to native americans, this is an alliance of cultures never seen before on the political landscape. >> we're very pleased with our brothers and sisters in nebraska in their recent win. >> as americans, we now have to translate this power that we developed as citizens to electoral power. that's going to be a challenge that we're facing in 2014 as well as 2016. because we have the energy, and we have the power amongst us. and now we have to essentially say look, these folks who are representing us, who said all sorts of good things never were here for us. and we've got to elect new people who are actually going have our backs. >> we're going to have a bigger impact on the upcoming elections. >> some feel this entire
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keystone xl pipeline issue is going to change nebraska's political future. >> there is no question in my mind. >> i have a registered republican that is going to vote for a democratic senator. how is that for you? >> anybody thinks this is a flash in the pan or small minority of people has not been paying attention. >> i must tell you, ed, i'm actually a republican. have i been for 41 years, 42 years, registered republican. and i'm extremely disappointed in them. you know, it's just -- and i'm sure there are democrats the same way. but just appears to me the republican party has, you know, they just become the political wing for corporate america. >> and we're all brought together as an alliance, an alliance by its definition is a group of people working for a common goal.
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♪ >> and next week on the "ed show," will the pipeline be built if it's built with american steel? i'll be in pittsburgh tomorrow working on that story. that's "the ed show." i'll ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. good evening, ed, and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, caught on tape. the bridge scandal. nearly six months after the dangerous traffic jam ordered by people working for chris christie, we're hearing for the first time the police and emergency calls from the chaos of those gridlocked streets. these calls were released by the city of ft. lee. and in them, we hear people who need paramedics and police complaining about
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